Talk:Evo
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[edit] Shibata Construction and Engineering
I was going to add Shibata Construction and Engineering to Yamatetsu's list of subsidiaries, since it's mentioned in Cyberpirates that Buttercup owns a controlling share and supplied start-up money. However, looking over some of the more recent books, YoTC mentions that SCE moved from terrestrial construction and maintenance to orbital habitats, especially when Aztechnology commissioned them to construct the Spindle. T:WL then mentions SCE was a subsidiary of Mitsuhama, firing rockets from Tangeshima Space Center in 2023, and reacquired it's space assets from Renraku when they snatched them from Fuchi. Confusing and confusing. --YoungFreud
- I've done some more reading at and it looks like Shibata came back into the news during the Corp War between 2058 to 2059. It may have been a part of Mitsuhama at the time, which it's mentioned in T:WL that it was more of a tax write-off. Buttercup and Yamatetsu's injection of money might have allowed it too break off from MCT. However, with "controlling shares" owned Buttercup (never any indication if it's over 51 percent or she's just the majority stockholder), it would probably be considered a subsidiary. I'm probably going to make a link to it in the Subsidiaries list for further expansion, because of it's interesting history and since it has a lot of pages devoted to it in YoTC and T:WL. --YoungFreud 15:56, 19 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)
Yamatetsu does not own a majority of shares in Shibata, only Buttercup does own some. So Shibata can not be a Yamatetsu subsidiary. It's a business partner at best. This is about the definition of the word "subsidiary". --Nath 18:12, 19 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)
- I hate to bring it up again, but, after rereading the chapter again, pg 72 of Cyberpirates mentions Shibata is Yamatetsu-owned. The entry on pg 86 "SCE got it's start-up money from Buttercup in Yamatetsu, and she's still got controlling shares". This could be interpreted that she owns Shibata through Yamatetsu. --YoungFreud 20:13, 19 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)
It's probably best to list it as its own corporation for now, with the important parts of this discussion added to the page somewhere? --msde 04:31, 20 Sep 2004 (Eastern Daylight Time)
- I think Shibata should be removed as a subsidiary. Though Cyberpages p.72 says "Yamatetsu-owned Shibata", the history of the company has been rewritten in later books. For example, Cyberpirates said SCE got the startup money from Buttercup, but later on it's a Mitsuhama subsidiary that Buttercup sank money into to fend off a takeover bid from Ares. The later material makes it clear that Shibata is independent of Yamatetsu, like the Shibata/Aztechnology/Fed-Boeing comet probe while Yamatetsu had its own probe. It's a member of the PPG. It's not listed in the list of Yamatetsu subsidiaries on Shadows of Asia, p. 14. Glorian 19:54, 26 June 2006 (EDT)
Should we merge this with the Evo page? They're the same corporation, and neither page is so huge that there's a need to separate them. --msde 15:25, 26 June 2006 (EDT)
- I agree that the page should be merged. It was just a name change. The logo even stayed the same. Glorian 19:54, 26 June 2006 (EDT)
